46 thoughts on “Switch player here with an example of skill based matchmaking doing its thing!”
ARNAV-29
Wait switch players are also forced to play on max settings like consoles?
RegalBeartic
As a fellow switch player, I feel you. It’s either all bot lobbies, or all crazy players like this. It’s rare that it’s a solid middle ground. Sorry bud 🙁
zerotr3s
People have often asked for “proof” of the issues with skill based matchmaking / forced cross play. Here’s my example. Webcam blocked out because I’m not trying to self promo.
The player we’re spectating is on Playstation, verified via FortniteTracker > Console Search Tool. This means he has at least 60fps and possibly 120fps, versus my (at best) 30fps. He’s division 6 and has a 4.27 k/d in solo this season. I decided to spectate because it was a player very clearly out of my skill level.
This was my first game on after a few days off without playing. Imagine how many people will log on, get into the same lobby as this player, get annihilated, and stop playing.
To those who would say “there’s not enough players” or “matchmaking varies depending on the time of day”: the VERY NEXT GAME I was in a lobby that I would consider accurate for my skill level.
To those who would say “he’s not actually that good”: well, he was clearly much better than the rest of this lobby, given his double digit elimination victory, and he’s undoubtedly much much better than me.
Sorry for the bad quality; I am on a Nintendo Switch, trying my best, and ideally I would be in a lobby with other Switch players who encounter the same bugs Epic won’t or can’t fix.
Cerricola
How these guys gets switch/mobile lobbies? Is it some kind or exploit or hack?
Electricfuel
I’m in the same boat. I feel like switch players get screwed the most because of forced cross play. Not even considering the problems with matchmaking, it is so hard to boxfight/have a close range shootout when the other player literally has 2-4x the fps as you. Throw in shit matchmaking and you get games that are essentially unplayable
xxthearrow
And this right here is why I will never go back to build mode
ohgodohworm
God, Fortnite on the Switch is horrendous. Awful graphics, constant lag, missing frames (especially when shooting), the majority of the time you can’t see opponents skins and they just appear as defaults. My WiFi has never been a problem, it’s fine for everything except Fortnite. Some days it’s like completely unplayable, other times it’s fine.
KittyOwO88
Half of that tower he built before the launch pad was completely unnecessary mans wasted so many mats
GamerZoom108
Switch players definitely got the short end of the stick when it comes to SBMM
Ultimate-Papyrus
Pubs has gotten a lot more sweaty since no builds since way more casuals play no builds. I guess that could be contributing to you’re being matched into players like this?
garbagepuker
I started out on a Switch, played on it exclusively for a solid 9 months or so. Then I went to PC and finally Xbox. Turns out my performance and lobbies are almost exactly the same across the board.
Away-Reference9970
We need the option for input based lobbies. Switch vs. switch, controller vs. controller, keyboard vs. keyboard. There is too big of a skill gap between inputs for everyone to be in the same lobbies. It would be much better to have the option to only play against others who have similar advantages/disadvantages.
SquidF0x
I can’t say much for here as I exclusively play no-build for this reason alone.
I’m a pc player and I have noticed tougher matches during peak hours for solo’s where I have to play like I’m in an algs tournament. I’m no great player by any means, but because I get a few kills or survive late rings, SBMM assumes I’m very good and as such matches me with very good players so it’s working as intended.
That’s where I think the issue lies. SBMM isn’t looking at overall performance, it probably takes samples from previous matches and looks at placement plus kills. So surviving a late ring with 4 kills under your belt is probably pushing up your MMR.
I did notice on my last match because I wasn’t having fun and was ready to throw in the towel for the day, that suddenly I was getting easier encounters and placed top ten, dying to an opponent who popped me in a few hits because I was low on health. Bad luck of the draw and not necessarily them being godlike.
What I find interesting is one night I was up at around midnight and queued for a match and had a much easier time. This led me to believe that playing outside of prime time is likely to make SBMM more accurate, because I was running into opponents of a similar skill level, opposed to what I run into during prime time.
So my take on this is that SBMM struggles during prime time because so many high skill players are on, and they have to get into a game somehow. Your MMR increases because even if you didn’t win you survived a lot and were getting kills in-between matches, so you’re matched with players who seem out of your league, but it’s because their MMR is around your own.
Tl;dr SBMM works better during off-peak hours imo. This is purely experimental and I have no solid evidence other than my own personal experience, which may not reflect other people’s outcomes.
suttbutt2014
Thats why I like my no build, switch player as well, 9/10 I get top 10 and I’m happy with that
octosaurus_reddit
I feel like forced cross-play wouldn’t be a problem if the damn sbmm worked
AutumnFguy
It’s a crossplay issue not SBMM per se. It’s impossible to play like that on a switch.
MinuteRefrigerator24
Yeah skill based matchmaking with cross-play is absolute dog shit
hunchojack1
Turn off cross platform in this game FUCK
Bogki
This game has skill based matchmaking? A guy like this in pretty much every second game I play
TannicBonsai956
Dude when I had my switch I swear these were the same lobbies and I suck
ghostgameer134
Finally someone talks about it! This is the reason i switched over to playstation because switch player have the worst skill based matchmaking and get put in a lobby with someone who’s 100 times better than they are.
Fr0st_mite
M8. M8. This isn’t the FNCS finals. It’s a casual match. You can stop quick editing and using sweaty skins.
briteboard
my career K/D is <2 and I got thrown into tfue’s lobby a few days ago like what. console player also.
IGrowAcorns
This clip makes me love zero build even more.
The_verge_king
Imagine getting soo mad you need to create a montage for them, lmao 😂
RRDude1000
This is why I dropped solos after week 2. Yes I can build and have great aim but there is a point where no matter what I do, the switch cant compete with the other systems.
On side note matchmaking is also broken in Rumble. I played for 90 minutes yesterday and won 1 game. At points, I had 20 kills but my team was losing by 40 💀
VincentWeir
looked the guy up on Fortnite tracker, has 1,300+ wins and is div 6 but has a history of getting champs league. yeah switch players should have crossplay as an option.
Yoitspoups
Every. Single. Game.
And im on xbox, yet i face people that edit like this or have 100% accuracy every time even if i have 15 solo victory in my whole “career” ( i play since the day fortnite battle royale released on console,while waitinf for pubg to release. Stopped playing lot of times but still ). My aim is not good, i can barely crank 90’s , i play with friend that are in almost full bots lobby yet when i play solo i get destroyed by blacknights,repears or renegades.
I really think the issue is that the matchmaking only take the age of your account in consideration, no matter the other stats are, its the only thing that matter, or its just broken.
DimeadozenNerd
I know this pain all too well. The fact that Epic refuses to fix SBMM is infuriating.
Nuuncis
Ik he might better then you but this guy is straight up garbage from a good player pov lol
dolfydup
how hard is it to not play on switch and play on pc ? Jesus even my 12 year old friend can do that kind of stuff and you’re here grown ass man complains about sbmm instead of improving or find a solution
MrMooster915
Bro has the shittest mouse control what am I seeing
Ortyzmo
after playing zero build then watching this, how tf do people enjoy watching building,
RobertoFragoso
Holy fuck thanks for reminding me why I don’t miss the building mode at all
Calogero_Ignazio
I don’t have any problem with people being good at the game or practicing, but there is something soooo…. what’s the right word…. lame about building a full box and editing out of it the entire time you’re moving. Basically tell me you’re a Virgin without telling me you’re a Virgin
scpwhy
This is why I play no build (I also use switch) because this bullshit
Chief_Bacon
This guy (creative rat) is the reason no builds mode was created
MrSwagCrackers
wait how did you record fn on switch I haven’t been able to do that since late chapter 1
ZackJamesW
idk mannn… they missed a wide open shot /s
Kolo_Lmao
Could be a switch player cause some of them are crazy.
But I can see why your complaining. They might be a creative warrior hoping into pub games just to show off
obviouseuphemizm
As a player on xbox, I get paired up with people who play on PC. Just another example of the perfectley balanced and not broken skill-based matchmaking
TrippyTiger69
Minecraft
Blergblum
The horror, the horror…
Dark_cheese
These tryhards always ruin the vibe for me just casualy playing and then suddenly 1 of these guys show up
HeckinBrandon
If he was a TTV, I know witch hunting’s a big no-no, but I would’ve told this kid to go play arena if he’s gonna play like that
Flintriemen
I did 2 kills in my last 15 matches. Since there is no build my sbmm in build mode is so unfair that it is not fun at all. I‘m playing this game for 4 years now, but I am not fucking pro
Wait switch players are also forced to play on max settings like consoles?
As a fellow switch player, I feel you. It’s either all bot lobbies, or all crazy players like this. It’s rare that it’s a solid middle ground. Sorry bud 🙁
People have often asked for “proof” of the issues with skill based matchmaking / forced cross play. Here’s my example. Webcam blocked out because I’m not trying to self promo.
The player we’re spectating is on Playstation, verified via FortniteTracker > Console Search Tool. This means he has at least 60fps and possibly 120fps, versus my (at best) 30fps. He’s division 6 and has a 4.27 k/d in solo this season. I decided to spectate because it was a player very clearly out of my skill level.
This was my first game on after a few days off without playing. Imagine how many people will log on, get into the same lobby as this player, get annihilated, and stop playing.
To those who would say “there’s not enough players” or “matchmaking varies depending on the time of day”: the VERY NEXT GAME I was in a lobby that I would consider accurate for my skill level.
To those who would say “he’s not actually that good”: well, he was clearly much better than the rest of this lobby, given his double digit elimination victory, and he’s undoubtedly much much better than me.
Sorry for the bad quality; I am on a Nintendo Switch, trying my best, and ideally I would be in a lobby with other Switch players who encounter the same bugs Epic won’t or can’t fix.
How these guys gets switch/mobile lobbies? Is it some kind or exploit or hack?
I’m in the same boat. I feel like switch players get screwed the most because of forced cross play. Not even considering the problems with matchmaking, it is so hard to boxfight/have a close range shootout when the other player literally has 2-4x the fps as you. Throw in shit matchmaking and you get games that are essentially unplayable
And this right here is why I will never go back to build mode
God, Fortnite on the Switch is horrendous. Awful graphics, constant lag, missing frames (especially when shooting), the majority of the time you can’t see opponents skins and they just appear as defaults. My WiFi has never been a problem, it’s fine for everything except Fortnite. Some days it’s like completely unplayable, other times it’s fine.
Half of that tower he built before the launch pad was completely unnecessary mans wasted so many mats
Switch players definitely got the short end of the stick when it comes to SBMM
Pubs has gotten a lot more sweaty since no builds since way more casuals play no builds. I guess that could be contributing to you’re being matched into players like this?
I started out on a Switch, played on it exclusively for a solid 9 months or so. Then I went to PC and finally Xbox. Turns out my performance and lobbies are almost exactly the same across the board.
We need the option for input based lobbies. Switch vs. switch, controller vs. controller, keyboard vs. keyboard. There is too big of a skill gap between inputs for everyone to be in the same lobbies. It would be much better to have the option to only play against others who have similar advantages/disadvantages.
I can’t say much for here as I exclusively play no-build for this reason alone.
I’m a pc player and I have noticed tougher matches during peak hours for solo’s where I have to play like I’m in an algs tournament. I’m no great player by any means, but because I get a few kills or survive late rings, SBMM assumes I’m very good and as such matches me with very good players so it’s working as intended.
That’s where I think the issue lies. SBMM isn’t looking at overall performance, it probably takes samples from previous matches and looks at placement plus kills. So surviving a late ring with 4 kills under your belt is probably pushing up your MMR.
I did notice on my last match because I wasn’t having fun and was ready to throw in the towel for the day, that suddenly I was getting easier encounters and placed top ten, dying to an opponent who popped me in a few hits because I was low on health. Bad luck of the draw and not necessarily them being godlike.
What I find interesting is one night I was up at around midnight and queued for a match and had a much easier time. This led me to believe that playing outside of prime time is likely to make SBMM more accurate, because I was running into opponents of a similar skill level, opposed to what I run into during prime time.
So my take on this is that SBMM struggles during prime time because so many high skill players are on, and they have to get into a game somehow. Your MMR increases because even if you didn’t win you survived a lot and were getting kills in-between matches, so you’re matched with players who seem out of your league, but it’s because their MMR is around your own.
Tl;dr SBMM works better during off-peak hours imo. This is purely experimental and I have no solid evidence other than my own personal experience, which may not reflect other people’s outcomes.
Thats why I like my no build, switch player as well, 9/10 I get top 10 and I’m happy with that
I feel like forced cross-play wouldn’t be a problem if the damn sbmm worked
It’s a crossplay issue not SBMM per se. It’s impossible to play like that on a switch.
Yeah skill based matchmaking with cross-play is absolute dog shit
Turn off cross platform in this game FUCK
This game has skill based matchmaking? A guy like this in pretty much every second game I play
Dude when I had my switch I swear these were the same lobbies and I suck
Finally someone talks about it! This is the reason i switched over to playstation because switch player have the worst skill based matchmaking and get put in a lobby with someone who’s 100 times better than they are.
M8. M8. This isn’t the FNCS finals. It’s a casual match. You can stop quick editing and using sweaty skins.
my career K/D is <2 and I got thrown into tfue’s lobby a few days ago like what. console player also.
This clip makes me love zero build even more.
Imagine getting soo mad you need to create a montage for them, lmao 😂
This is why I dropped solos after week 2. Yes I can build and have great aim but there is a point where no matter what I do, the switch cant compete with the other systems.
On side note matchmaking is also broken in Rumble. I played for 90 minutes yesterday and won 1 game. At points, I had 20 kills but my team was losing by 40 💀
looked the guy up on Fortnite tracker, has 1,300+ wins and is div 6 but has a history of getting champs league. yeah switch players should have crossplay as an option.
Every. Single. Game.
And im on xbox, yet i face people that edit like this or have 100% accuracy every time even if i have 15 solo victory in my whole “career” ( i play since the day fortnite battle royale released on console,while waitinf for pubg to release. Stopped playing lot of times but still ). My aim is not good, i can barely crank 90’s , i play with friend that are in almost full bots lobby yet when i play solo i get destroyed by blacknights,repears or renegades.
I really think the issue is that the matchmaking only take the age of your account in consideration, no matter the other stats are, its the only thing that matter, or its just broken.
I know this pain all too well. The fact that Epic refuses to fix SBMM is infuriating.
Ik he might better then you but this guy is straight up garbage from a good player pov lol
how hard is it to not play on switch and play on pc ? Jesus even my 12 year old friend can do that kind of stuff and you’re here grown ass man complains about sbmm instead of improving or find a solution
Bro has the shittest mouse control what am I seeing
after playing zero build then watching this, how tf do people enjoy watching building,
Holy fuck thanks for reminding me why I don’t miss the building mode at all
I don’t have any problem with people being good at the game or practicing, but there is something soooo…. what’s the right word…. lame about building a full box and editing out of it the entire time you’re moving. Basically tell me you’re a Virgin without telling me you’re a Virgin
This is why I play no build (I also use switch) because this bullshit
This guy (creative rat) is the reason no builds mode was created
wait how did you record fn on switch I haven’t been able to do that since late chapter 1
idk mannn… they missed a wide open shot /s
Could be a switch player cause some of them are crazy.
But I can see why your complaining. They might be a creative warrior hoping into pub games just to show off
As a player on xbox, I get paired up with people who play on PC. Just another example of the perfectley balanced and not broken skill-based matchmaking
Minecraft
The horror, the horror…
These tryhards always ruin the vibe for me just casualy playing and then suddenly 1 of these guys show up
If he was a TTV, I know witch hunting’s a big no-no, but I would’ve told this kid to go play arena if he’s gonna play like that
I did 2 kills in my last 15 matches. Since there is no build my sbmm in build mode is so unfair that it is not fun at all. I‘m playing this game for 4 years now, but I am not fucking pro